Jeno vakyarimata:Desiphral/Purane Vakyarimata 1

Titlu

Salut. Care este titlul pentru "Pagina principală" în romani? Ronline 11:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Da, nici o problemă. Suntem toţi "excited"! Doar încă o întrebare - care ar fi cea mai bună expresie pentru "Wikipedia - Enciclopedia liberă" (liberă în sens de libertate, nu gratuitate). Aş vrea să fac cerere pentru un logo nou. Ronline 12:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Devanagari is NOT used for Romani.

Devanagari is NOT used for Romani. The Romany wikipedia is clearly a language planning project, not an encyclopedia. --74.12.164.27 31 martie 2007 02:19 (UTC)

That is an dictate imposed by a sheer majority wanting to push their own agenda. There is a difference between what they propose and the current reality at Romani wiki. They want to forbid a modality used for Romani expression, while currently at rmy.wp there is freedom of expression for all the variants. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 1 aprilie 2007 09:59 (UTC)

If by "freedom" you mean the freedom to dishonestly push your own agenda, then yes. Very true. This page is a testimony to your dishonesty. --74.12.141.73 10 aprilie 2007 06:29 (UTC)

Romani has no central authority or geographical continuity. This coupled with low percentage of first-language literacy amongst Roma makes it difficult to say which script is preferred. I mention that there is sizeable Devanagri movement atleast amongst educated Roma in my geographic area. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10 aprilie 2007 11:26 (UTC)

Proiectul ţărilor lumii

Aş vrea să încep un proiect al ţărilor lumii pe această Wikipedia, introducând formatele standarde, care după aceea se pot transforma în articole mai complete. Care este titlul pentru toate ţările lumii? Ar fi bine să avem un articol listând toate ţările lumii, de exemplu bazat pe ro:Listă de state suverane. Fiecare articol standard pentru ţară ar avea cinci subtitluri - Istorie, Politică, Geografie, Economie, Demografie, Cultură, "Vezi şi", şi ar avea un tabel cu statistici, ca şi cel de mai jos. Când ai timp, ai putea să îl traduci în romani? Mulţumesc, Ronline 06:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

{{{Anav andi themeski chhib}}}

[[Image:{{{Chitro_le_styagosko}}}|125px|Styago {{{anav}}}]] [[Image:{{{Chitro_la_stemako}}}|110px|Stema {{{anav}}}]] [[Styago {{{anav}}}|Styago]] [[Stema {{{anav}}}|Stema]]
Motto: {{{themesko_motto}}}
Themesko gili: {{{themesko_gili}}}
[[Image:{{{chitro_map}}}|250px|Location of {{{anav}}}]]
Sherutno foro	{{{sherutno foro}}} {{{latd}}}°{{{latm}}}′ {{{latNS}}} {{{longd}}}°{{{longm}}}′ {{{longEW}}}
[[Manushanipen {{{anav}}}|O bareder foro]]	{{{o_bareder_foro}}}
Prinjardi(e) ćhib(a)	{{{prinjarde_ćhiba}}}
Guvernamentesko sistemo {{{barideresko_titlo}}}	{{{guvernamentesko_tipo}}} {{{barideresko_anav}}}
{{{mestipnasko_tipo}}} {{{uzalutne_momenturya}}}	{{{uzalutne_divesa}}}
Themesko baripen  • Sa o them    • Pani (%)	[[{{{area_magnitude}}} m²|{{{themesko_baripen}}} km²]] ({{{baripen_mashkar_sa_le_themende}}}) {{{baripen_mi²}}} mi²  {{{percent_pani}}}
Gin le manushenge  • [[{{{gin_le_manushenge_opretele_bersh}}}]] est.  • [[Palal {{{ginipen_le_manushenge_bersh}}}|{{{ginipen_le_manushenge_bersh}}}]] ginipen  • Butvaripen	{{{gin_le_manushenge_opretele}}} ({{{gin_le_manushenge_opretele_mashkar_sa_le_themende}}}) {{{manushenge_ginipen}}} {{{manushenge_butvaripen}}}/km² ({{{manushenge_butvaripen_mashkar_sa_le_themende}}}) {{{manushenge_butvaripen_mi²}}}/mi²
ABP (KKZ)  • Sa o produkto  • Po themutno	[[Palal {{{ABP_KKZ_bersh}}}|{{{ABP_KKZ_bersh}}}]] opretele {{{GDP_PPP}}} ({{{GDP_PPP_rank}}}) {{{ABP_KKZ_po_themutno}}} ({{{ABP_KKZ_po_themutno_mashkar_sa_le_themende}}})
IMD ({{{IMD_bersh}}})	{{{IMD}}} ({{{IMD_mashkar_sa_le_themende}}}) – {{{IMD_kategoriya}}}
Lovo	{{{lovo}}} ({{{lovosko kodo}}})
Thanesko vaxt  • Milai (VUDD)	{{{thanesko vaxt}}} (UOV{{{uov_offset}}}) {{{thanesko vaxt_VUDD}}} (UOV{{{uov_offset_VUDD}}})
Internetosko TLD	{{{anav_tld}}}
Telefonosko kodo	+{{{telefonosko kodo}}}
{{{xalyarimata}}}

Cod şi nume

Să fiu sincer, şi eu am avut intenţia ca Wikipedia să fie doar în vlax şi în alfabetul latin (de fapt, iniţial am spus "romani", după aceea vlax romani). Dar, o versiune standardă este de preferat. Şi după câte văd pe internet, toate site-urile despre romi au versiuni în "romani" nu în "vlax" sau "romani din carpaţi", etc. La fel cu alfabetul latin - dacă sunt contributori în devangari, atunci de ce să nu includem acest alfabet? Totuşi, cred că Mark are intenţii bune şi după câte văd nu este deloc rasist - el este interesat foarte mult în limbi minoritare. Descrierea ar trebuie să fie "Romani" nu "Vlax Romany", fiind că aşa este şi interwiki-ul. Am să scriu un mesaj despre asta pe wikipedia-l.

Cât cu codul - eu cred că RMY este un cod mai bun în acest caz, nu pentru că este "rău ca ţiganii să aibă acelaşi cod ca românii", dar prin simplu fapt că "ROM" este în general asociat cu România, deci se pot face confuzii. Dar, în orice caz e bine. Eu aşteptam Wikipedia să fie creeată la rom.wikipedia.org, am impresia că cel care a deschis-o nu şi-a dat seama de faptul că am schimbat de atunci şi codul şi numele.

Cu formatul de ţări de mai sus - şi textul între acolade trebuie tradus, fiind că se va vedea în fiecare articol. Tabelul trebuie mutat la o pagină din namespace-ul "Template" precum "Template:<CutieŢări în romani>". Ronline 06:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Interfaţă

Salut. Am făcut cerere la BugZilla pentru update de interfaţă folosind fişierul în romani. În altă ordine de idei - cum se spune "<numeleţării> este o ţară în Europa centrală|de est|de sud|de vest|de nord|de sud-est". Ţările ar trebui categorizate în categorii precum "Ţări în Asia", "Ţări în Europa" etc. Dar numele lunilor care sunt în romani? By the way, am citit recent pe RomNews un articol despre Shuto Orizari, singurul municipiu din Republica Macedonia care are primar rom şi romani este limbă oficială. Se zice că este cea mai mare comunitate de romi din Europa! Acest caz este interesant şi unic, şi am să scriu un articol despre el la en. şi ro.wp. Ronline 09:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Article request

Greetings Desiphral! Can you help me create a stub for this article which is based on the English article. 2-5 lines would be sufficient enough and your help would be appreciated. (I do not know what the correct Vlax Romany title should be). Please.

Regards -- Jose77, 21:27 Monday 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for the excellent article Desiphral! I am very grateful. May you prosper! -- Jose77, 02:58 Thursday 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Romani ćhib/रोमानी छीब

Văd că ai mutat articolul despre limba romani la "Romani ćhib/रोमानी छीब". Oare nu ar fi mai bine să se facă un articol separat în Devanagari, रोमानी छीब, şi să rămână articolul latin la "Romani ćhib"? Acest sistem este folosit la articolul "Devǎnagǎrī", care are echivalent la देवनागरी. Am să vorbesc cu Millosh de la sr.wiki despre convertirea caracterelor ca să fie implementată în curând.

Încă o chestie - tabelele care folosesc clasa CSS "wikitable" nu lucrează aici fiind că nu este inclusă această clasă în fişierul CSS. Ar trebui incluse următoarele linii la pagina MediaWiki:Monobook.css (doar administratorii au acces la această pagină):

table.wikitable,
table.prettytable {
  margin: 1em 1em 1em 0;
  background: #f9f9f9;
  border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
  border-collapse: collapse;
}

table.wikitable th, table.wikitable td,
table.prettytable th, table.prettytable td {
  border: 1px #aaaaaa solid;
  padding: 0.2em;
}

table.wikitable th,
table.prettytable th {
  background: #f2f2f2;
  text-align: center;
}

table.wikitable caption,
table.prettytable caption {
  margin-left: inherit;
  margin-right: inherit;
}

/* Style for "notices" */
.notice {
    text-align: justify;
    margin: 1em;
    padding: 0.2em;
}

#disambig {
    border-top: 3px double #cccccc; 
    border-bottom: 3px double #cccccc;
}

#spoiler {
    border-top: 2px solid #ddd;
    border-bottom:2px solid #ddd;
}

/* Standard talk template style */

.Talk-Notice  {
    border: 1px solid #C0C090;
    background-color: #F8EABA;
    margin-bottom: 3px;
    width: 80%;
    border-spacing: 3px;
    margin-left: auto;
    margin-right: auto;
}

.Talk-Notice:after {
  content: "The CSS for this template should be changed. See [[Wikipedia:Template Standardisation]].";
}

/* Make template background appear correctly on all browsers */
.Talk-Notice td {
    background: inherit;
}

/* Metadata */
table.metadata {
    border: 1px solid #aaaaaa;
    display: none;
    speak: none;
}
.metadata-label {
    color: #aaaaaa;
}
/* Messagebox templates */

.messagebox {
   border: 1px solid #aaaaaa;
   background-color: #f9f9f9;
   width: 80%;
   margin: 0 auto 1em auto;
   padding: .2em;
   text-align: justify;
}
.messagebox.merge {
   border: 1px solid #c0b8cc;
   background-color: #f0e5ff;
   text-align: center;
}
.messagebox.cleanup {
   border: 1px solid #9f9fff;
   background-color: #efefff;
   text-align: center;
}
.messagebox.standard-talk {
   border: 1px solid #c0c090;
   background-color: #f8eaba;
}

/* Infobox template style */

.infobox {
   border: 1px solid #aaaaaa;
   background-color: #f9f9f9;
   color: black;
   margin-bottom: 0.5em;
   margin-left: 1em;
   padding: 0.2em;
   float: right;
   clear: right;
}
.infobox td,
.infobox th {
   vertical-align: top;
}
.infobox caption {
   font-size: larger;
   margin-left: inherit;
}
.infobox.bordered {
   border-collapse: collapse;
}
.infobox.bordered td,
.infobox.bordered th {
   border: 1px solid #aaaaaa;
}
.infobox.bordered .borderless td,
.infobox.bordered .borderless th {
   border: 0;
}

.infobox.sisterproject {
   width: 20em;
   font-size: 90%;
}

Cu aceste clase, prezentarea tabelelor precum Template:Phuv va fi mai frumoasă şi mai aranjată. Mulţumesc, Ronline 05:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

PS: Trebuie incorporat codul /*<pre><nowiki>*/ înainte de CSS, şi /**/</nowiki> la sfârşit. Hmmm, nu cred că este necesar. Ronline 12:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Cod

Da, din păcate numai developerii au dreptul de a actualiza logo-ul. Adică, după ce este creeată imaginea (asta o poate face oricine, dar n-am idee ce fonturi se folosesc!), trebuie upload-ată sub numele de Wiki.png aici la rmy, şi protejată. După aceea, developer-ul vine şi actualizează logo-ul. Cu interfaţa este acelaşi lucru (developerii sunt notorii pentru întârzâieri, mi-se pare... nu mi-au răspuns la cererea Bugzilla pentru interfaţă). Dar, deja sunt aproape 50 de articole şi începe să se formeze frumos Wikipedia. Le-am scris la ERRC despre acest proiect dar nu mi-au scris înapoi. În altă oridine de idei, am să încerc să transform steagul romilor (cum se cheamă aceasta în romani?) într-o icoană similară cu celelalte de pe pagina principală (adică, cu umbră şi lumină). Ronline 12:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Am făcut textul în devanagari puţin mai mare. Încă tot nu ajunge la lungimea necesară. Cred totuşi cu următoarea mărime va fi prea mare. Am să încerc să aliniez tabelul cu "vertical alignment = top". Ronline 12:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Da oare organizaţiile de romi din România? De exemplu, RomaniCRISS? Şi acolo sunt tot majoritate de ne-romi? Ronline 13:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Am scris un articol mic la en.wiki despre acest steag - w:en:Roma flag. Cred că sunt undeva pe wiki informaţii despre steag deja, dar nu le găsesc. Ronline 13:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Phandlo Thagaripen

Salut. Văd că ai mutat articolul despre statul Regatul Unit la "Phandlo Thagaripen la Bare Britaniyako thai le Nordutne Irlandesko" în loc de "Bari Britaniya". Într-adevăr, acest nume este mult mai corect, fiind că Marea Britanie este doar un termen geografic, nu politic. În alte Wikipedii, şi în lume în general, prescurtarea "Regatului Unit al Mării Britanii şi Irlandei de Nord" este mai degrabă "Regatul Unit" decât Marea Britanie şi Irlanda de Nord. Oare n-ar fi mai bine ca articolul să fie mutat de la titlul complet oficial la titlul mai scurt "Phandlo Thagaripen" (United Kingdom) şi toate legăturile să puncteze spre acest articol? Mulţumesc, Ronline 08:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ar fi OK să rămână articolul la numele complet, deşi poate că este prea lung şi "tehnic". Eu mă refeream mai mult la versiunea scurtă - care este de preferat: "Phandlo Thagaripen" sau "Bari Britanya thai Nordutno Irland"? Eu zic că "Phandlo Thagaripen" este mai scurt şi este versiunea oficială scurtă a statului (deşi îmi închipui că în romani, la fel ca în română, numele comun pentru Regatul Unit este "Marea Britanie"). Ronline 11:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Kurów

Could you please write a stub http://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w or RO wiki? Only 2 -5 sentences enough. Please. Pietras1988 25 April 2006 15:01 (UTC)

Romanian?

Hi, thanks for the reply on my talk page!

Actually i have a question: I see a lot of text here that looks like Romanian and not like Romani. For example, "User" is "Utilizator", which is the Romanian word. Is it a mistake? --Amire80 9 May 2006 10:37 (UTC)

Katowice

Hello. I'm wikipedia redactor from Poland. We do some action for tranlation atricle about one of the biggest polish city simple:Katowice. Could You make some translation into Your native language of this article ? Just a few senteces. Please. There is source article in English: en:Katowice.

Best Regards.

Stimoroll form Poland

request - sentence

Hello. I`ve got one request for you. Can you translate me sentence from English to Romany language please? This sentence is: "sugar in 300 languages". I need its because I want to do logo of my site with 300 counterparts of word "sugar" so it`s very important for me. Thank you very much! Szoltys <talk>

Logo

Hi, I saw Your message on is.wikt. please can You delete the old version (Image:Wiki.png) then, so I can upload the corrected version, thanks and greetings --Spacebirdy 15 May 2006 21:27 (UTC)

• I deleted it, thanks, Desiphral 15 May 2006 21:33 (UTC)

Oki, thanks, new version is up, greetings --Spacebirdy 15 May 2006 21:40 (UTC)

Thanks, now it's OK Desiphral 15 May 2006 21:56 (UTC)

I have seen that there is a problem with the size of the image. I have made three new versions you can choose [1], [2], [3] . Greetings --Spacebirdy 17 May 2006 22:35 (UTC)

Oki, np. Thanks for Your answer, as they are no longer needed, I delete them from my host now, greetings --Spacebirdy 5 June 2006 22:11 (UTC)

Transcription of Romany sounds

Dear Desiphral, I saw your querries at Deetrivia's page. I would be more than willing to help you. Hindi is my native language and I also know en:phonetics.

• The consonant /z/ that you mentioned, as in English zoo, is transcribed in devanagari as ज़, ie , with a dot beneath. But it is very fundamentally wrong transcription, as ज is phonetically /dʒ/ (as in jam); it is a en:palatal consonant, unlike /z/ which is en:alveolar. So /z/ should be transcribed as स, or as स with a dot beneath--this I'll be recommending at Hindi wiki soon.
• The consonant /x/ exists in Hindi in loanwords. It is written as ख़, ie, with a dot beneath. Using ह (used for /h/) with a dot beneath is wrong--fundamentally wrong.
• The consonant cluster /ts/ is simply transcribed as त्स . There is no need of त with a dot below.
• The consonant /ʒ/ ( as in pleasure)indeed does not exists in Hindi. There is no transcription for it. I would, on the basis of linguistics, suggest श with a dot below.

Please mail me on my English userpage for response/further doubts. I am really very happy that people in so far off countries are using the devanagari. It is shamefully becoming redundant in India day by day. People chat in Hindi on Y-Mess using the Roman alphabets. Please continue the good work. BTW, I am admin at Hindi wiki. Regards, en:User:Magicalsaumy.

Since you are an admin here, I'd sugegst you to go to your wiki's Insert toolbox at below each edit page. You can access yours at http://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools (hopwfully) and edit it to include those symbols. If so requested, I shall send you the entire code of devanagari with the dot variants that I had suggested. en:User:Magicalsaumy.

ChatZilla

• Dragă Desiphral! Dacă ai puţin timp şi foloseşti "Firefox" te rog să instalezi "ChatZilla" şi să faci clic pe #ro.wikipedia. Vei veni direct la chatul IRC. "Amike" Gangleri · T · m: Th · T 10 June 2006 13:05 (UTC)

Dragă Desiphral! M-a contactat meta:User:Red Baron ca să ne ajute cu transliterţia. Nu ai mai trecut pe la "Betawiki". Au fost unele nelămuriri privind cazul gramatical necesar pentru "{{ns:user_talk}}". Te rog vino pe chat. "Amike" Gangleri · T · m: Th · T 4 iulie 2006 13:26 (UTC)

Dragă Desiphral! "Betawiki" nu a fost accesibil în ultimul timp. Te rog vino pe canalul #mediawiki-i18n sau #wikipedia-BiDi. Vezi şi [4]. "Amike" Gangleri · T · m: Th · T 22 iulie 2006 16:50 (UTC)

Poraimos

Salut! Aş vrea să scriu un articol despre Poraimos la ro.wiki, dar sunt puţin confuz despre numele acestui eveniment. Pe en.wiki, "porajmos" este folosit - acesta este termen extras direct din romani? Fiind că aici articolul este la "poraimos". Amândouă sunt corecte în romani? Cât despre termenul "Samudaripen", acesta unde se foloseşte? Este răspândit? Care dintre cele două termene - samudaripen sau poraimos - ar fi mai corect? Mulţumesc, Ronline 11 iulie 2006 03:52 (UTC)

Mošovce

Hi :-)

Sory, I don't really speak Romani, I just had this one sentence + a couple of words translated. But as far as I understood you welcomed me to the family (thanks :-)) and asked if I'm from Slovakia (Yes, I am :-)) I'm working on this project of translating a description of my village into as many languages as possible, and since there are a lot of Romani in Slovakia, I thought it would be a great shame not to have it in this language :-)))

By the way, thank you very much for translating more of the article. It's greatly appreciated. Although there are many Roma people in SKia, it's actually very very hard to find someone who speaks Romani and is able to translate ;-)

I have transcribed the article into Devanagari. I would like to post it as an alternative to this article -- we'll see how it works out :-)

Take care,

Peter.

Hi :-) For Devanagari I used a program called the "SIL Converter", which can be downloaded here: [5]. It is a bit tricky and confusing, because many letters are transcribed into latin (and especially Slovak Latin) differently (dev "ख़" - Slovak "ch" - SIL "ḵẖ", dev "च" - Slovak "č" - SIL "c", dev "छ" - Slovak "čh" - SIL "ch", dev "ज" - Slovak "dž" - SIL "j", dev "य" - Slovak "j" - SIL "y", dev "श" - Slovak "š" - SIL "ś", dev "श़" - Slovak "ž" - SIL "(doesn't support - have to paste manually)", dev "त्स" - SLovak "c" - SIL "ts", dev "इ" - Slovak "y,i" - SIL "i"). But when you modify the text in this way, the convertor works fine :-) The only problem I have is that I don't know how to transcribe the "ť" adn "ľ" for example in the words "Kašťelis" and "giľutnaris". They sound somewhat like "tj" and "lj" (russian "ть" and "ль", croatian "lj"). I'm pretty sure they're loanwords from Slovak, so there might not be any devanagari letters for them - I was just wondering if you had any ideas how to best transcribe them.

Take care and thanks,

Peter

PS. If you had the time and felt like it, I´d be grateful if you could maybe gradually translate also the other parts of the article. I would then convert them into devanagari :-))

Salut Desiphral,

Thanks a lot again :-) I've added the devanagari transcription. As for the two sounds, they're defined as follows:

"ľ" = palatalized "l" (IPA "lʲ"), approx. "l" in "lurid" (like gli... in Italian or ll in non-yeista Spanish)

"ť" = palatalized "t" (IPA "tʲ"), approx. "t" in "tutor"

More info at Slovak_language.

Mulţumesc :-)

Peter

Judeţe

Ambele formate sunt actualizate, dar cred că cel de la ro.wiki este mai bun (deşi sunt foarte similare). Văd că interfaţa este acum aproape complet tradusă, felicitări! Merg şi categoriile şi formatele. Am mutat conţinutul în Devanagari de la Mošovce la मॊशॊव्त्सि; cred că este mai bine ca fiecare articol să folosească doar un alfabet, fiind mai uşor de citit (adică, dacă cineva vrea latinikano, citeşte numai în acest alfabet, dacă vrea devanagari, atunci citeşte numai în devanagari). În plus, acest lucru este mai bun pentru convertirea automată. Când acest lucru va fi implementat, se pot şterge toate articolele în Devanagari (fiind că vor fi generate automat de script). Altfel, dacă un articol conţine şi devanagari şi latin, atunci conţinutul devanagari va fi dublat pe pagina convertită. Ronline 5 august 2006 04:50 (UTC)

Here are the instructions

At the talk page for the main page, the link there should not be left clicked. Simply right click and select "Save target as..." to save it onto your computer. Then you can listen to it. I'm sure you've seen the link. Please take a look as I am almost desperate to find out.69.192.62.63 25 august 2006 18:02 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the delay, I was not online for a few days. With right click it appears only "save link as.." at my computer, so I still didn't listen it, if you have any new idea please tell me. Khelas in Romani means we play, we dance and the title let's dance would be: te khelas. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 28 august 2006 17:30 (UTC)

Ok, sorry, and thanks very much. Here is the link. Just scroll down a bit and you should be "To begin downloading this file, click here". 74.116.142.240 1 septembrie 2006 14:06 (UTC)

OK, now it worked. It is Romani, but certainly sung by a non-speaker because it sounds awkward and unclear. As far I could understand, the verses (only 2 repeated several times) would be these (where are dots, I couldn't understand):

Romani: Me janav ekh rat ..../Chhavo, janes tu, dili baxt anda i rat.

English: I know a night ..../Boy, do you know, wild luck in the night.

BTW what do you know about this song, where did you find it? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 1 septembrie 2006 17:58 (UTC)

It was a movie called "Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa". And thanks! 74.116.142.240 3 septembrie 2006 19:12 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but think the word after "Me janav ekh rat" is a conjugation of the word that means dance. It depends which verse, but I hear something like "khe-vaa" or "kai-khe-laan". What are your thoughts? 74.116.142.240 1 octombrie 2006 18:40 (UTC)

Agenţia Naţională pentru Romi

Salut Alin. Am început un articol scurt despre ANR la en.wiki - en:National Agency for the Roma. Care este numele acestei agenţii în romani? Cum s-ar traduce? Mulţumesc, Ronline 3 septembrie 2006 11:49 (UTC)

Hmm . . .

Would you happen to know of or have any relation to this site: http://www.gypsychat.com .

I didn't know about it and I see there is no other internal link from the main page. Is this site working? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 24 septembrie 2006 10:05 (UTC)

On the English Wikipedia

The table in en:Romani writing systems, what is the purpose for it? I'm pretty sure we can just check the Devenagari article and learn how each letter is pronounced from there, right?

What do you mean? It is an encyclopaedic article, so it is normal to have a table with correspondences. Do you ask about the legitimacy of showing also Devanagari, since you singled out only this writing system? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 3 octombrie 2006 12:13 (UTC)

No, I mean, Is this accurate, I know there is more Devanagari than that and I think linking to the the Devanagari page with a more complete table would be better. Unless the Romani Language only uses those letters, in which case could you also add an English pronouncation guide alongside the Romanes words, as in, along with “akana”, the word “want” could be beside it, so that non-speakers can understand the pronounciation of the characters? --FlareNUKE 23 octombrie 2006 20:45 (UTC)

Ok, I see. Indeed, searchig here and there, I didn't find other cross-writing system table at en:wp, but this is probably because there are not available so many articles dealing with more writing systems at once. In fact, I found only en:Mesoamerican writing systems but I don't know if actually there was a contributor there who knew to make a cross-writing system table (that would have been more than welcomed, for the sake of the information provided). I considered it necessary since Romani is not so available in a written form and such a table could bring useful information that might interest the reader. Indeed the understanding of the pronunciation for those who know only Latin might not be easy, so I added the IPA pronunciation. I did not understand what did you intend to say with "akana" and "want" regarding the pronunciation, if you could be more specific. With Devanagari is easier since there is only one variant of a letter for every sound. And there is no Indo-Aryan language that uses all the Devanagari, each one use it partly, some have sounds that others don't have. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 30 octombrie 2006 19:11 (UTC)

IPA pronounciation is better actually, and also what I meant was akana and want make the same sound. But what you did was better.

Also, I modified the table by adding the IPA template in each IPA part, as some people can't see those characters. --FlareNUKE 5 noiembrie 2006 21:46 (UTC)

Ziua Naţională de Comemorare a Holocaustului

Salut Alin. Am început un articol despre acest eveniment la en:National Day of Commemorating the Holocaust. Fiind că şi romii au fost victime ale Holocaustului, aş vrea să te întreb cum s-ar traduce numele acestei zile în romani? Adică, "Ziua Naţională de Comemorare a Holocaustului" şi "Ziua Naţională de Comemorare a Holocaustului în România". Mulţumesc, Ronline 9 octombrie 2006 14:55 (UTC)

Wikimedia:Indian

Ever considered joining Indian language promotion representing Romani? --Eukesh 4 noiembrie 2006 19:11 (UTC)

• Well, we surely need to do something as a united entity to develop forward. Plus, there is no need to thank me. You have done a lot for development as well.--Eukesh 5 noiembrie 2006 16:03 (UTC)

Romani Keyboard

Here is a proposal for a Devanāgarī keyboard layout for Romani, it only includes the signs used in the en:Romani writing systems article and the vowel diatricts (along with the Nutka and Virama, which aren't really needed since there are keys that already have them with the main letter). It is based on the Hindi layout with modifications, there are no shift states as of yet, I may include for shift states some punctuation and numbers, although I'm not sure what punctuation Romanes Devanāgarī uses. Could you please tell me if this is all correct? I was also going to make a Latin version (but there is no P with a caron). Chitro:DevanagariKeyboard.jpg Also, a side note. What other writing systems are used in Romani? --FlareNUKE 19 noiembrie 2006 17:04 (UTC)

Good initiative! I improved also the table (as this was an older one) adding some long vowells. And there is no need to have त्स in the keyboard as it is just the translation of the Latin letter c (or in other conventions ts, tz) that is made from two sounds: /ts/. So त्स is "त" + "्" + "स". Indeed the letters that use nukta are already in the keyboard, but there might appear in time the necessity of new letters to write non-Romani sounds. As it was the case when introducing Slovakian placenames in Devanagari text at मॊशॊव्त्सि and the palatalized sounds were marked by nukta. Regarding virama, it is used frequently when appear consonants without vowells between them. As for the punctuation it is used "।" (standing for the dot in Latin), "!", "?" to end a sentence.

Also I want to say that I did not include in the table the voiced aspirated consonants (घ/gh, झ/jh, ध/dh, भ/bh), as Romani, like some Punjabi dialects, switched them to the voiceless aspirated. घर/ghǎr (house) in Hindi is खेर/kher in Romani, for example. Some Romani scholars propose to switch every aspirated voiced in Sanskrit-based Indo-Aryan neologisms to voiceless (like भारत/Bharǎt should become फारत/Pharǎt), while others think it is ok to remain as they are. The same for the retroflex consonants (ट ठ ड ढ ण) that switched to apico-dental (त थ द ध न). So, the table, as it is now, represents only the original Romani sounds and I thought not to present the others, as it is nothing clear by now about neologisms. So it is possible that after some time there will be some changes. In fact, I have to say that when I write Romani in Devanagari I use more that those in the list, as there appear neologisms, non-Romani names, also words or expressions from other languages (not necessary Indo-Aryan, ञ-/ɲ/ for example stands for "ñ" in Spanish).

Besides Latin and Devanagari, also Cyrillic and Greek are used. I don't know too much about the viability of Greek. About Cyrillic I heard that there occur also (like in Latin) in some cases more variants to write a sound and I have no idea what solution they use for writing Indo-Aryan specific sounds. I know also that it is mostly used in countries of former Soviet Union. I read somewhere that in Bulgaria, although it has a Cyrillic environment, in the last years Roma abandoned it for Latin. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 20 noiembrie 2006 18:18 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar. Still have exams. Will discuss in detail after exams are over.--Eukesh 24 noiembrie 2006 16:14 (UTC)

• • Please visit this Incubator page. --Eukesh 24 noiembrie 2006 18:47 (UTC)

Do you have MSN Messenger or AIM?

Preferrably MSN Messenger, --FlareNUKE 26 noiembrie 2006 03:35 (UTC)

Agradecimiento de la bienvenida

Gracias por tu bienvenida. He visto que has trasladado la página a Gelem, Gelem, pero he creado de nuevo Himno roma para redirigirla a ésta y que así funcionen los enlaces. He de decirte que tengo dudas sobre la compatibilidad entre esta "Vikipidiya" y el "Kalo", el tiempo nos lo dirá. En todo caso, el proyecto me parece estupendo, ojalá acabe siendo un completo éxito. Saludos.--Jatrobat 12 decembrie 2006 01:13 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on the bot status. --Eukesh 23 decembrie 2006 02:32 (UTC)

A very good news

Kazakh wikipedia are running in multiscript. Lets learn from them. I am working in Kashmiri wikipedia to enable multiple script. Lets proceed to make it work in both of our wikipediae.--Eukesh 24 decembrie 2006 17:11 (UTC)

Abt the translitrator

There must be some problem with the new text of the display. I had a similar problem myself. Try reverting the new text on the upper part of the page and running the script, then add the new text one by one. Its a bit time consuming process though.--Eukesh 29 decembrie 2006 17:56 (UTC)

More Dual-script Wikipediae

There are also dual-script systems on Wikipediae such as the Chinese one and the Serbian one, along with the Kazakh one. Please look at these also. Please also see this. On the Chinese Wikipedia they have automatic conversion between different Chinese scripts. I'm not sure if this would work with Kashmiri or Romani, but please look at it anyway. Thank you. --Wolf 17:33 11 January 2006

Kurov

Could you please write a stub http://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w – just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 192 languages nad dialects. If you do that, please put interwiki link into English version. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) Pietras1988 ^TALK 4 iunie 2007 09:14 (UTC)

OK, I made it at Kurov. One question: what is the grammatical gender in Polish (to apply it also in Romani)? Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 4 iunie 2007 10:52 (UTC)

Very thanks. Your article is perfect. Name "Kurów" is male gender. Pietras1988 ^TALK 4 iunie 2007 13:13 (UTC)

OK, It happened to be the one I used it too. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 4 iunie 2007 13:49 (UTC)

2 questions more. You wrote it in Vlax Romani? On which dialect of Romani is this wiki? Pietras1988 ^TALK 4 iunie 2007 16:42 (UTC)

Personally, I write in a standardized form, mostly close to that from Romania, but for these two articles I used also a form of plural I know is used in Czech R.-Slovakia area (I don't know about Poland). This wiki as a whole is Romani, for all the dialects, there are already articles in different dialects and ortographies. That was its presentation from the very beginning, I did not received until now an explanation for giving rmy (which is for Vlax Romani) instead of rom (for generic Romani). Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 4 iunie 2007 17:15 (UTC)

Końskowola - Poland

Could you please write a stub http://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%84skowola - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%84skowola ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

P.S. If You do that, please put interwiki link into english version. 123owca321 4 iunie 2007 15:25 (UTC)

OK, I made it at Konskovola. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 4 iunie 2007 15:46 (UTC)

English Wikipedia

Hi! Are you the same Desiphral that I've been working with in the English Wikipedia? I tried to send you an e-mail but when I click on the "e-mail this user" button under the search box in the left-hand column on your user page I get a message that you are not set up to receive e-mail. I am, and I wanted to chat with you about some similar experiences I have had with ignorant editors and how to deal with them effectively.70.120.88.79 29 iunie 2007 09:14 (UTC) - Chicaneo

Romani at Betawiki

Hi Desiphral. You have done some translation work on the MediaWiki messages at Betawiki[6]. I was wondering if you were still going to work on them and if we should maybe commit the currently changed messages to Subversion so they will be used everywhere. Please let us know at Process/tasks at Betawiki. Cheers! Siebrand 3 septembrie 2007 13:46 (UTC)